ABSTRACT. Barrozo claims that one of the effects of the focus on deviation is the overlegitimation of the norm, of the mainstream of our punitive practices. On Dyzenhaus’s reading, legality makes government under the rule of law something worth having. Raz writes that the claims that law makes for itself are evident from the language it adopts and from the opinions expressed by its spokesmen. Bilz and Darley say that punishment policy debates should bypass the punishment philosophy stage altogether, and focus directly on contested views about harms.